Makoto

Nov 12 2007, 04:29 AM | Post #61

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QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 11 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]102558[/snapback]

You see it from the programmer side, I'm a programmer too.

From the player experience side (as f2p player that made 1018 total level only with f2p skills and actually 1856 total level getting almost mining 90 and runecraft 77 on f2p) with construction 81, and other awesome skills etc. (and having a big rs family getting members everyday) I can say a bit of what I think about both, p2p and f2p.

From the programmer side, I could care less about your player experience. All I care about is getting this last module of code polished up, tested, retested, and then getting my paycheck at the end of the week. If I don't get that paycheck, or you don't contribute to that paycheck, why should I care about you?

QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 11 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]102558[/snapback]

You are focusing on jagex side, on what he does etc. Other sites does too and they tries to be competence for jagex. Look at syrnia, they almost copied all of rs, other sites offers to be free forever and ect.

I'm looking and suggesting to jagex as his loyal costumer. The costume have the reason, says the people. I'm sure this suggestion (I sended it to them using the costume support system) if at least make to think to jagex on offer a better service then it done its job.

Of course I'm thinking about it from Jagex's side. That's the side that keeps the game running. Without them, what do we have? NOTHING, that's what.

Loyalty only comes in the form of devotion to their game (i.e. paying for it). It works like a Country Club; you either pay to be appreciated/recognized, or you don't and you don't get squat.

QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 11 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]102558[/snapback]

If a miracle happens and jagex have unlimited money (or assistance) without need to get money from his members it could be a good suggestion. Try think of it with calm, I took time on formule it.

Don't think on money >.<

1. If you think that I'm not calm, reread my signature again. "Forgive your folly; punish your pride." I'm forgiving you for being so foolish with this idea. If you persist like it's something that should absolutely 100% happen, then I'm going to punish your pride. Don't tell me you're ready to reap the whirlwind now...

2. NO company has unlimited money. Jagex doesn't either. They only receive money from player contributions, namely membership. You cut that off and there is no money.

3. If you took the time to develop a formula to this, perhaps you needed another two and a half hours of forethought. From a strictly business standpoint, I absolutely refuse to make all things accessible to freeplay when Members pay for the exact same thing, thus cheapening/undermining their efforts. Sorry, but a company's got to make ends meet while providing for their customers. That's what Membership does. Don't like the fact that they get it all but freeplay gets nothing? TOUGH. You've got to live with that fact, or...live with that fact.

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Cky

Nov 12 2007, 06:10 AM | Post #62

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Cafebcs, I think what everyone is trying to say is GO GET FIVE DOLLARS AND BUY MEMBERS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

NO ONE CARES HOW YOU GET THE MONEY, YOU CAN WHORE YOURSELF ON THE STREET, JUST GET IT.

This post has been edited by Cky: Nov 12 2007, 06:10 AM

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Mysticallity

Nov 12 2007, 07:51 AM | Post #63

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QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 12 2007, 03:59 AM)

I'm looking and suggesting to jagex as his loyal costumer. The costume have the reason, says the people.

Nope. You are a mere binary in their system. They pull out updates just to justify the payment. When customers gather pitchforks and starts cancelling members, only then will they be considered as 'loyal customers'.

QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 12 2007, 03:59 AM)

I'm sure this suggestion (I sended it to them using the costume support system) if at least make to think to jagex on offer a better service then it done its job.

Firstly, they will delete the message without a thought. Any suggestions threatening the business of Jagex would simply be torn to shreds by the monkeys at the gates. Secondly, in the eyes of Jagex, you are simply a former member who wishes to play members without paying. In reality, you are someone who refuses to use the other payment methods, when they pulled out existing ones which may harm their business. Therefore, Jagex is already providing the best service possible.

QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 12 2007, 03:59 AM)

If a miracle happens and jagex have unlimited money (or assistance) without need to get money from his members it could be a good suggestion. Try think of it with calm, I took time on formule it.

There is no unlimited money. Even if they had a large amount of money, making members free would eat up all that money in a short time. Only a fool would take that plunge for their 'loyal customers', which most of them probably doesn't care about the costs of running the game. Even if a handful of people does donate, it wouldn't be enough to cover the costs. Eventually, members will have to reform once again, thus bringing us back to this point.

This is a formula for failure.

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Cafebcs

Nov 17 2007, 11:19 PM | Post #64

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You get the items but not the experience at doing quests. The skill rewards on free worlds are turned into experience certificates.

If a never member want to train herblore he will can't, he will need to pay membership at least once, because the skill reward is turned into experience certificates and he will don't get the boost from herblore 1 to 3.

But if he loses the experience certificate, then he never will be able of train herblore: because he will keeps as herblore 1 and no potion is able to be made at that level (except buying a mature greenman ale)

But it will be hard. As solution, on quest rewards, the non member will not get the quest experience until he goes to member worlds. All other experiences will work normally (as suggested on first post)

This post has been edited by Cafebcs: Nov 17 2007, 11:20 PM

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dragunslayr9

Nov 18 2007, 07:16 AM | Post #65

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so you're suggesting that we all pay one single $5 payment at first to play. play as usual, and then when we have enough 'experience certificates' we pay another $5, redeem them all, and max out the game.

no thanks. i would rather not pay $10 to play f2p. seriously cafe, FIND A JOB, PAY THE STUPID FEE, AND QUIT COMPLAINING.

This post has been edited by dragunslayr9: Nov 18 2007, 07:17 AM

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Boggy B 33

Nov 18 2007, 01:53 PM | Post #66

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QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 17 2007, 11:19 PM) [snapback]102774[/snapback]

If a never member want to train herblore he will can't,
he will don't get the boost from herblore 1 to 3.

Lol, i find that funny.

anyway, the whole idea of this is confusing to me, be it the fact that i havent had enough sleep or be it the fact that I can't accept your posting style, either options good.

To close, just refer to what damn near everyone has closed their post's with...

This post has been edited by Makoto: Nov 19 2007, 11:22 PM

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Loggy

Nov 19 2007, 08:56 PM | Post #67

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QUOTE(Mysticallity @ Nov 12 2007, 02:51 AM) [snapback]102574[/snapback]

Any suggestions threatening the business of Jagex would simply be torn to shreds by the monkeys at the gates.

Jagex is guarded by monkeys?


Neat.

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Cafebcs

Jan 10 2008, 10:49 PM | Post #68

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>>> UPDATE TO TOPIC <<<

QUOTE(Cafebcs @ Nov 17 2007, 04:19 PM) [snapback]102774[/snapback]

If a never member want to train herblore he will can't, he will need to pay membership at least once, because the skill reward is turned into experience certificates and he will don't get the boost from herblore 1 to 3.

But if he loses the experience certificate, then he never will be able of train herblore: because he will keeps as herblore 1 and no potion is able to be made at that level (except buying a mature greenman ale)

But it will be hard. As solution, on quest rewards, the non member will not get the quest experience until he goes to member worlds. All other experiences will work normally (as suggested on first post)

Seems that the summoning quest will start on taverly, where herblore starts.

I still have full hope on this suggestion =)

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Mysticallity

Jan 10 2008, 10:52 PM | Post #69

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That's not exactly an update to your topic. So I'm afraid there is no point to this discussion.

If you feel otherwise, you may PM me.

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