Luckk13

Mar 28 2006, 01:48 AM | Post #16

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personally i do not think this guide is very helpful.

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Laugher

Mar 28 2006, 02:39 AM | Post #17

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guide sucks.
i downloaded the full version before

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Geo1988

Mar 28 2006, 12:51 PM | Post #18

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I don't merchant and I'd say I am pretty rich...

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73142

Mar 28 2006, 01:54 PM | Post #19

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Merchanting is NOT scamming. Scamming is deceiving players. (luring for example) If someone sells an item for 50k and another person puts up 50k, then switches quickly to 5k, that is scamming. If the 2 people agree on the price, then it is not scamming. Telling someone a phat is worth 100k is price manipulating, that is considered scamming leading the other player with false information.

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MaverickFang

Mar 28 2006, 02:10 PM | Post #20

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QUOTE(73142 @ Mar 28 2006, 01:54 PM)

Merchanting is NOT scamming. Telling someone a phat is worth 100k is price manipulating, that is considered scamming leading the other player with false information.

QUOTE(Dictionary.com @ Mar 2006)

Scam - A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

So even leading into false information is still a scam. So call it what you want, but unless your trading fairly (which... who does?), Mercantilism still is, and always will be, a scam.

This post has been edited by MaverickFang: Mar 28 2006, 02:12 PM

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Twilight Ray

Mar 28 2006, 02:50 PM | Post #21

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QUOTE(73142 @ Mar 28 2006, 08:54 AM)

Telling someone a phat is worth 100k is price manipulating, that is considered scamming leading the other player with false information.

Price manipulation is also against the rules bud.

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Mysticallity

Mar 28 2006, 03:01 PM | Post #22

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QUOTE(73142 @ Mar 28 2006, 01:54 PM)

Merchanting is NOT scamming. Scamming is deceiving players. (luring for example) If someone sells an item for 50k and another person puts up 50k, then switches quickly to 5k, that is scamming. If the 2 people agree on the price, then it is not scamming. Telling someone a phat is worth 100k is price manipulating, that is considered scamming leading the other player with false information.

No one is actually saying merchanting is scamming. It is only the buying price range and certain phrases mentioned in this guide that seems like scamming because it is way out of the normal buying and selling range.

Merchanting that involves raw materials is not scamming. You are just offering to buy within the widely-agreed price range. The merchant would benefit as he/she can sell the bulk materials at the higher price range for the convenience of skillers. The sellers would gain the lower range of the price for the lesser amount of time spent on working and the lack of money.

When two persons are agreeing on 100k for a Party Hat (for example), then it is loosely based on scamming as you are misleading the person in thinking it is a fair deal. It is not scamming on the outside, as both sides have agreed on the price so no action could be taken. But you are still ripping money off someone. It's morally (remember, morally, not actually) wrong and shows us whether we as humans value individual entertainment more than other's emotions.

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jagadabah1338

Mar 28 2006, 03:16 PM | Post #23

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QUOTE(Twilight Ray @ Mar 27 2006, 10:17 PM)

If I convinced someone that a r2h was worth a mil and sold it for that much, I'd be scamming them. If I convinced someone a phat was worth 100k and bought it for that much, I'd be scamming them.

That aint merchanting.But what this guide says is merchanting coz u should get some profit out of merchanting.How would u earn money if u sell stuff for the exact same price u bought it for?

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73142

Mar 28 2006, 03:34 PM | Post #24

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Telling someone the phat price is 100k is scamming I know, but I said telling. Buying stuff at low prices without telling them that it is the exact price is not scamming because they are not price manipulating. *Some guy is just buying rune essence for 20 ea*

Runescape forum rules for price manipulation:

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When two persons are agreeing on 100k for a Party Hat (for example), then it is loosely based on scamming as you are misleading the person in thinking it is a fair deal. It is not scamming on the outside, as both sides have agreed on the price so no action could be taken. But you are still ripping money off someone. It's morally (remember, morally, not actually) wrong and shows us whether we as humans value individual entertainment more than other's emotions.

I have to agree about that though.

Btw, I won't reply again because this topic is just about people proving their points.

This post has been edited by 73142: Mar 28 2006, 03:56 PM

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MaverickFang

Mar 28 2006, 03:39 PM | Post #25

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But still from everything i have read (and doing some within the game before) mercantilism is still scamming, because you working to get the better price and make a bigger profit.

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Luckk13

Mar 28 2006, 03:41 PM | Post #26

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there is honest merchanting then there is merchanting that is basically scamming. buying and selling in the acceptable price range with informed individuals who simply wish to sell fast and dont care about the lack of full price then selling the item later (or in case of raw materials, buying tons of materials in small ammounts for lesser price then selling thousands for more).

buying items at low prices that are obviously wrong because the person does not know better is scamming and wrong. your moral obligations should make you point out to the person the error in their ways and make sure they still wish to go ahead.

some examples of how this has happened to me was i was selling a d med, the guy put up 2.5m, instead of 900k because he was thinking for some reason i had d legs not d med, even though he was buying both. took him 30 seconds to realize the mistake. if i had been fradulent i coul dhave easily walked away with that extra 1.6m. other examples of being able to get a item at a scam price have happened before, some because the player did not know the price or others because the player was not paying attention.

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Twilight Ray

Mar 28 2006, 05:51 PM | Post #27

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Ok, fine. By the actual technical rules and definition, merchanting isn't scamming, but by anyone who has morals and cares for other people, it is, so I'm always going to think of merchants as scammers, and always think low of them for it.

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Baakalor

Mar 28 2006, 05:55 PM | Post #28

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And that Ladies and Gentelmen, shall be the last word in this thread about it. This discussion has gone so far off-topic that I think if you wish to discuss the technicalities of merchanting, you should do so in a thread of its own.

>>>CLOSED<<<

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