Makoto

Oct 24 2005, 05:43 AM | Post #1

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As some (doggone near all) of you well know, we have recently launched the massive ME2 quest guide. All last week players were buzzing about, looking for a quest guide. Easily enough, a majority of players WOULD look to Tip.it for this info. This is saddening, but affects us all:

According to Tip.it (Tip.it Times Article), Jagex made a highly informal request to one of their staff members to not post the quest guide. Regardless of who believed it, and since Tip.it was really the only fansite that listened/heard this request, Andrew lifted it yesterday, and things picked up the pace.

But, this leaves a HUGE outcry for something that Jagex has promised us a long time ago.

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Is it possible to get a link on RuneScape.com?

Not at the moment. However we are looking into a system which will allow us to give the best fan sites an "official fan site" classification. Sites that gain this classification will be allowed to show an official graphic as well as having a link to their site from RuneScape.com

We do not have a date yet as to when this will be happening, so please DO NOT email us in regards to one.

What we can tell you now is that when we do go ahead with this system Jagex will handpick "official" fan sites and we will contact you if we would like your site to receive an official acceptance. Please do not contact us regarding becoming an "official" fan site. Just concentrate on making your fan site high in quality and you will be doing your best to become accepted.

Who remembers that from 3 YEARS AGO?!

It's been there—in words, sayings, promises, deals, and pacts—but NEVER actually implemented. And this time, it came back to bite them squarely in the left cheek.

Jagex's lack of communication with their fansites has left many players (some server administrators, even scattered about RuneVillage and RuneHQ) for lack of a stronger term...pissed off.

Offical request? I say, if it was offical then they would have posted it in broad daylight.

One more point: I understand that I've made references to Tip.it, but their situation even threw us in the limelight as I was anticipating more abuse requests from Jagex. Instead, it's left me personally to question, "Why even bother making a fansite if the game corporation itself won't let you acknowledge it? And what the hell is so important about your password?!"

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Can I advertise my website in RuneScape?

I am afraid not. Please see Rule 11 in our rules of conduct located within our Rules and Security area.

Rule 11. - You are not allowed to actively advertise in the RuneScape game or website. This includes advertising any website or product and no web addresses are allowed.

As you may know, some sites are used to harvest unsuspecting player passwords which spoils players enjoyment of the game. We take password security very seriously and have to enforce a rule whereby no websites are advertised in game.

Clearly this does an injustice against players who create websites designed to help the RuneScape Community, however, we need to ensure that player accounts are absolutely secure and to this end we have developed this policy. We hope that at some point in the future, this can change and more community sites will take the place of hack sites, for the time being though, account security is absolutely essential.

Look around; any other MMORPG or CORPG (Competitive Online Role Playing Game) will have some co-operation (if not total) with the fansites and website admins. Makes no sense in the eyes of this player. And we all know that Runeweb is about as harmless as a piece of cotton, and three times as soft.

That's my little rant, bedtime now. Comments, concerns, frustrations?

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Swej

Oct 24 2005, 05:46 AM | Post #2

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yeah its all bullshit. they will give us stuff to make a fansite, but noo jagex dont want us to show it to anybody.

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Luckk13

Oct 24 2005, 06:24 AM | Post #3

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its sad, jagex lack of support for them

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MaxTheDragon

Oct 24 2005, 09:58 AM | Post #4

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I agree with this. I'm sure that fansites had a major influence in the growth in popularity of RuneScape. We get almost nothing in return.

Jagex resents fansites because some of them endorse macro-devices. They chose to do it the simple way, and just give every fansite a bad stigma.

My idea is that Jagex hates spoilers as much as they hate macro software. That's probably another reason why Jagex refuses to acknowledge fansites. And don't forget the addition of skill guides on the main website and even in-game: "Why go to a fansite if you can get your skill guide here?". That, along with the idea that Jagex's site offers the best security a RuneScape player can get, was probably an attempt to make fansites less important to players.

However, they could not add spoilers to their guides. And for as long as I play RuneScape, which is roughly four years, those spoilers were always the thing that drew people to fansites.

Now that Jagex makes quests and other in-game features harder and harder, they seem to find the fansite spoilers a lot more important. And every now and then, this results in a sudden climax.

The last climax I noticed was the guides rule that was suddenly enforced on the official forums. Players were no longer allowed to post (long) guides, containing spoilers. Of course they did not really mention spoilers, but rather a list of things. One could easily conclude that they meant basically every guide that existed on the official forums. As expected, almost every guide owner (including me) was left clueless as to whether their guides were allowed or not: "If you take those rules seriously, you'll find that even some stickies were against the rules". Jagex did not explain things any further.

This is just another climax by Jagex. They quickly express their feelings regarding spoilers, and then they'll shut up again for a certain period of time. If they would have posted this in their official news section, it would have stayed there for a long time, and everyone would be able to read it. If you observe other climaxes, you'll notice that that is clearly not their intention. Makes you wonder if they all agree with what one Jagex Mod is saying to the community.

I wouldn't take this very seriously. If you are (an) admin of your fansite, then you're the one who decides what your fansite's content will be, not Jagex.

This post has been edited by MaxTheDragon: Oct 24 2005, 10:01 AM

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Teminator149

Oct 24 2005, 10:31 AM | Post #5

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Ungrateful bastards. Some fan sites have promoted runescape and made it much more popular

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Geo1988

Oct 24 2005, 11:42 AM | Post #6

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Have you ever made a promise you could not keep? Well, it seems like this is the same thing.

This post has been edited by Geo1988: Oct 24 2005, 04:48 PM

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Teminator149

Oct 24 2005, 11:57 AM | Post #7

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QUOTE(Geo1988 @ Oct 24 2005, 12:42 PM)

Have you ever made a promise you could no keep? Well, it seems like this is the same thing.

What's so hard about putting a couple of links to other websites on your site?

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I R Bush

Oct 24 2005, 11:58 AM | Post #8

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Yes, I agree. And why isn't saying "tip.it" cencored in RS then? The tip.it forums were spreading viruses in one point, not anymore though.

After reading all that stuff, I think Jagex should cencor the "tip.it", and now I'm gonna send in some customer support, regarding your words, Makoto.

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Makoto

Oct 24 2005, 12:58 PM | Post #9

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QUOTE(I R Bush @ Oct 24 2005, 05:58 AM)

Yes, I agree. And why isn't saying "tip.it" cencored in RS then? The tip.it forums were spreading viruses in one point, not anymore though.

After reading all that stuff, I think Jagex should cencor the "tip.it", and now I'm gonna send in some customer support, regarding your words, Makoto.

Sadly the virus thing is only hearsay; someone instead got a hold of the unhashed MD5 passwords as far as I know and half of them were legit RS passwords.

The words "tip.it" are censored, but I do appreciate a word to CS about this.

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I R Bush

Oct 24 2005, 01:29 PM | Post #10

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Makoto, it is NOT a hearsay, I've experienced it myself. And tip.it isn't cencored :\

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Twilight Ray

Oct 24 2005, 01:47 PM | Post #11

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Tip.it is censored sometimes, in a certain context, but if you try to say the words "Tip.it" and only that, then it isn't. Only time it will be censored is if it's for something else. I don't think I have to actually say my views on this, but just in case: If Jagex had asked Runeweb to hold back on releasing the guide, and Firenimmo or someone had told me to, I would've made my own site and put it on there until Runeweb had the "authority" to put it on there. I too remember that fansite section way back in RSC, and when I joined RN, I kept waiting for it so more people would come to RN instead of tip.it and such, because RN is just that much cooler. Plus, in case anyone hasn't noticed, www.runeweb.com is uh, not really Runescape stuff, so whenever I tell people to go to Runeweb, they assume .com, and we lose people because of that :\. And Makoto, I'm not sure about us being softer than cotton, but whatever. I don't think any of this will actually matter unless they ever try to take action against the fansites, but don't count on the fansite section of their site ever coming along. Oh, and if ANY Jagex Mods come and look at this and see just how disappointing this action is, please go to the tip.it boards and see just how many people are disgusted with you.

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Dxgr8ter

Oct 24 2005, 01:57 PM | Post #12

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I think the problem is that people tend to link "official fan-sites" with the game itself. Personally there are some runescape fansites, if I were Jagex, that I wouldn't like to be afiliated with and even the best fan-sites have their "slip-ups". By refusing all, it's an easy way out.

and tip.it is not censored , neither is runeweb.

as far as I know you can only get reported if you say "go visit www.runeweb.net" or something obvious like that.

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Target

Oct 24 2005, 07:37 PM | Post #13

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QUOTE(I R Bush @ Oct 24 2005, 11:58 AM)

Yes, I agree. And why isn't saying "tip.it" cencored in RS then? The tip.it forums were spreading viruses in one point, not anymore though.

After reading all that stuff, I think Jagex should cencor the "tip.it", and now I'm gonna send in some customer support, regarding your words, Makoto.

More people would blame jagex if they were "hacked".

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Dilbert26

Oct 24 2005, 11:31 PM | Post #14

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Well I see why Jagex doesnt want to allow in game advertising and link to fan sites. With that, runescape would be a lot easier and imo, the prices would be diff as everyone would use forum prices. I wouldnt mind it though, as long as Rw is on the top fan site list.

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Laugher

Oct 25 2005, 02:19 AM | Post #15

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agreed.?

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