Makoto

Mar 7 2007, 02:28 AM | Post #1

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When I first read the update to Rule 7, I was quite happy. I for one have never been an advocate for 3rd-party software of any kind...makes information way too easy to access. But then I read a little closer.

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It must not automatically request pages/content from our website or otherwise make excessively bandwidth intensive requests from our servers (each page/content request should only be in direct response to a user request each time).

It must not bypass the normal navigation of our website. The software should initially only point at the front page of www.runescape.com, and should require the user to navigate through the website normally to reach the game worlds. The software must not contain direct links to our "Select a world" page, or to our game world pages, or to the RuneScape applet.

It must not attempt to make it easier to enter a busy RuneScape world than it would be for users not using the software. It must not allow worlds marked as 'FULL' on the world select page to be selected. It must not contain any features to make it easier to enter or monitor busy worlds.

While the latter two bar popular clients from using their world select interfaces, the first one seems to bar out “dynamic signatures”. Yes, the data that is pulled off of their server is automated, and not just one person can make its request.

I don't know what to think about the first one. I really don't. There'll have to be some form of communication between the fansite upper brass and Jagex staff at some point. But let me move on to the next two!

The other two do indeed bar 3rd-party software from having more of an impact than a browser. Personally I'd prefer this option. Since many people debate that it's nothing more than a browser, let them live without the extra fancy add-ons for a while, see how that holds up.

I'd like to see some discussion about this. I wanted to go into a giant spiel about how it's the company's rights to choose how you're supposed to connect to their servers, but time and patience seems to play against me.

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Cky

Mar 7 2007, 02:40 AM | Post #2

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Well the dynsig part is mainly what pisses me off, because even though it takes information from Jagex's site, it's not 3rd party software, it's merely a means to show off your stats on message boards.

I mean, what is RW supposed to do now? Half the reason people come here are the sigs, and now if we supposedly have to get rid of said sigs, whats left for us to do? I mean plenty of sites are based on dynsigs, and it's what they work around.

What about Runehead? (nifty page you can add members of your clan to, sort of like a highscores for message boards). Does that not take information from Jagex's server just like a dynsig? It's a webpage, and is no way linking to runescapes site, so being that they are the same thing as dynsigs pretty much, they go too...right?

Well it's serious crap Jagex doing something like this, they shouldn't look at anything player made negatively, it's just innovation on a preexisting game, it's not like they are hacking the servers, they are just showing off.

CRAP I SAY.

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Makoto

Mar 7 2007, 08:08 AM | Post #3

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QUOTE(Cky @ Mar 6 2007, 07:40 PM) [snapback]90170[/snapback]

Well the dynsig part is mainly what pisses me off, because even though it takes information from Jagex's site, it's not 3rd party software, it's merely a means to show off your stats on message boards.

I mean, what is RW supposed to do now? Half the reason people come here are the sigs, and now if we supposedly have to get rid of said sigs, whats left for us to do? I mean plenty of sites are based on dynsigs, and it's what they work around.

What about Runehead? (nifty page you can add members of your clan to, sort of like a highscores for message boards). Does that not take information from Jagex's server just like a dynsig? It's a webpage, and is no way linking to runescapes site, so being that they are the same thing as dynsigs pretty much, they go too...right?

Well it's serious crap Jagex doing something like this, they shouldn't look at anything player made negatively, it's just innovation on a preexisting game, it's not like they are hacking the servers, they are just showing off.

CRAP I SAY.

While your debate is sound, there's only a few problems with that:

1. It's their bandwidth. You know how popular RuneScape is...they could use all the bandwidth they could get. They also have a right as a company to tell you how to connect to their servers. If you don't want to connect their way, don't use their service. (Point brought on by SS, kind of applies for the sigs too)

2. I don't think that they're looking at it negatively. I'll give Jagex the benefit of the doubt on this one and say that they're taking another view, one which is out of the scope of anyone that is a regular. I cannot say that they are taking the negative point of view when the terms and conditions of the site are so clearly spelled out for us...if anything, they're just enforcing their own law.

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I don't know what will happen with RuneWeb since now the dynamic signatures could very well be killed. My guess is that since a lot more fansites have been springing up and doing their own dynamic signature ordeal, Jagex's servers has had a lot of strain on them.

Personally I'd like to wait and hear from Catatifish. Let's see what take he has on this.

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PieCakes

Mar 7 2007, 02:05 PM | Post #4

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It's just another effort by jagex to ruin everything not made by them.

SS is fine. No-one gets hacked by it, they're just wanting to be annoying.

So now all 3rd part clients, plus dynamic sigs, and lookups on SS are banned whats next? I have a theory they'll try and ban fan sites in the near future. I don't know how but i reckon they will.

They already have the knowlege base, and quest help.. same as they had their browser.. and made everything else illegal..

Death to Fansites? :|

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Mysticallity

Mar 7 2007, 04:48 PM | Post #5

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Direct linking to RuneScape worlds is just like world switching, so I don't have any problems about it being illegal.

As for signatures...

QUOTE(Andrew @ Mar 7 2007, 09:59 PM)

The main thing we're trying to do is make it clear we don't like badly written tools which load pages/content off our website over and over again, and make it slower for everyone else. Tools that do that will need to be changed. At one point over HALF of the page hits on our website were coming from such automated lookups rather than real people. e.g. <1% of the people were using 50% of the bandwidth! So you can surely see why we would object to that. In most cases the function actually desired is still possible, the software just needs to be changed slightly to not waste resources so badly.

Most calculators aren't affected at all as they only do one lookup per user request. Some dynamic sig generators which hit our site over and over again are affected, but can easily be changed to only recalculate the sig in response to the sig owner pressing a button, (rather than doing it repeatedly every minute whether they need to or not).

So yeah. They aren't dead, they just need to be changed.

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Makoto

Mar 8 2007, 04:16 AM | Post #6

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Normally, there would be a comical reprieve between Data, Twilight and I inserted about here, but to cut down on spam and keep this topic relatively coherent, I've deleted it.

Let's stay on topic people.

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Cafebcs

Mar 13 2007, 05:39 AM | Post #7

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