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Twilight Ray

Jan 3 2007, 11:39 PM | Post #31

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QUOTE(MaxTheDragon @ Jan 3 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]84115[/snapback]

This is bad. Now they've changed it back again.

All the people who spammed are being rewarded.

They mention someone in the news whose opinion is strongly biased!

They messed up big time now.

You and I think a lot alike, sir.

Well, I'm quite disappointed in Jagex. I actually thought they had grown some balls, but apparently not.

dark sloth1

Jan 4 2007, 01:52 AM | Post #32

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QUOTE(Twilight Ray @ Jan 3 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]84127[/snapback]

You and I think a lot alike, sir.

Well, I'm quite disappointed in Jagex. I actually thought they had grown some balls, but apparently not.

YOU MEAN JAGEX IS A GIRL!!?!??!?!?!

*gasp....*

Makoto

Jan 4 2007, 03:31 AM | Post #33

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Warning: Very long read up ahead. Do not read this if you qualify under the following:

You are biased of the SwiftSwitch stance.
You do not like severe criticism.
You are younger than thirteen.

Thank you.

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What happened today was probably one of the worst updates that Jagex has ever done. I'm talkin' "Pure Essence" bad. Jagex has officially revoked the best thing that they could have ever done.

Let me take you to a time before RS2. It was the bonny days of classic, and rulebreakers were just as prevalent as they are now. But back then, Jagex actually gave a damn and banned them with extreme prejudice. This would be known as "the Era of the Iron Fist". I can't give you exacts, but my memory serves me with over 25,000 accounts banned as a violation of rule 7. Just last year (literally), another 15,000 were banned via violation of rule 7.

Mind you, this violation was probably because they used autominers to gain a fair advantage, which is rather clear-cut. After the ban, only 22,000 players continued to play in classic.

Okay then guys, let's hit the fast forward button on the time thing and flip to just over a year and a half ago. August 16, 2005. The day that SwiftSwitch was released officially. As we all knew, any third party client used to gain an advantage would be barred illegal, and thus could lead to severe consequences. Flipping through the news of RuneScape, I don't see any major changes to rule 7 to at anytime during '05 or '06 to permit the usage of such a program...

Anyway, after a long while, SwiftSwitch began to gain a lot of momentum and is probably one of the most popular clients out there. Many a time would I debate to Firenimmo the legality of this program, which most of the time ended in a classic draw (he's a bit too clever for me

). Often times I would litter Jagex's inboxes with requests to clarify this long-standing grey area (this now being around January 2006 up until just recently). wanted an answer, I wanted vindication that this was against the rules.

Well, I got it. For twenty-four whole hours, I got my vindication.

The only problem now is that according to SwiftSwitch's history, over 70,000 players, both member and free, now use this client wholly. Doesn't take much math to realise that's roughly $350,000 if each player paid only the $5 contribution (which would make it somewhere near $400,000 if they only paid for ONE month). $400,000 is a lot to lose over one little rule, so Jagex tinkered with it and said they wouldn't be reccomended if they conformed with their little checklist.

Pardon me, but what the HELL is that?! For years, Jagex has been ruling with an Iron Fist on their rules and NOW they bend a little because of $400K?! What the hell kind of integrity is that? What have they demonstrated to us, the honest kind who have never touched such a program? Is our honesty going to go rewarded? Hell no; if we slip up against the rules and make a riot similiar to what they did, we'll get muted/banned. And we don't expect a refund.

QUOTE(dark sloth1 @ Jan 3 2007, 06:52 PM) [snapback]84149[/snapback]

YOU MEAN JAGEX IS A GIRL!!?!??!?!?!
*gasp....*

Well they sure are acting like ones now...

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All in all, I thought that Jagex was off to a fantastic start for this year. I really did. I should have known better than to get my hopes up.

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Understand that I'm not debating whether or not SwiftSwitch is insecure or not, I'm debating that it is something that gives you an advantage, and should be outlawed by rule 7. mIRC, RuneScape, Zybez's guides and calculators aren't really considered an advantage around most of these parts though...

Cky

Jan 4 2007, 04:18 AM | Post #34

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QUOTE(Makoto @ Jan 3 2007, 11:31 PM) [snapback]84153[/snapback]

Warning: Very long read up ahead. Do not read this if you qualify under the following:

You are biased of the SwiftSwitch stance.
You do not like severe criticism.
You are younger than thirteen.

Thank you.

------
What happened today was probably one of the worst updates that Jagex has ever done. I'm talkin' "Pure Essence" bad. Jagex has officially revoked the best thing that they could have ever done.

Let me take you to a time before RS2. It was the bonny days of classic, and rulebreakers were just as prevalent as they are now. But back then, Jagex actually gave a damn and banned them with extreme prejudice. This would be known as "the Era of the Iron Fist". I can't give you exacts, but my memory serves me with over 25,000 accounts banned as a violation of rule 7. Just last year (literally), another 15,000 were banned via violation of rule 7.

Mind you, this violation was probably because they used autominers to gain a fair advantage, which is rather clear-cut. After the ban, only 22,000 players continued to play in classic.

Okay then guys, let's hit the fast forward button on the time thing and flip to just over a year and a half ago. August 16, 2005. The day that SwiftSwitch was released officially. As we all knew, any third party client used to gain an advantage would be barred illegal, and thus could lead to severe consequences. Flipping through the news of RuneScape, I don't see any major changes to rule 7 to at anytime during '05 or '06 to permit the usage of such a program...

Anyway, after a long while, SwiftSwitch began to gain a lot of momentum and is probably one of the most popular clients out there. Many a time would I debate to Firenimmo the legality of this program, which most of the time ended in a classic draw (he's a bit too clever for me

). Often times I would litter Jagex's inboxes with requests to clarify this long-standing grey area (this now being around January 2006 up until just recently). wanted an answer, I wanted vindication that this was against the rules.

Well, I got it. For twenty-four whole hours, I got my vindication.

The only problem now is that according to SwiftSwitch's history, over 70,000 players, both member and free, now use this client wholly. Doesn't take much math to realize that's roughly $350,000 if each player paid only the $5 contribution (which would make it somewhere near $400,000 if they only paid for ONE month). $400,000 is a lot to lose over one little rule, so Jagex tinkered with it and said they wouldn't be recommended if they conformed with their little checklist.

Pardon me, but what the HELL is that?! For years, Jagex has been ruling with an Iron Fist on their rules and NOW they bend a little because of $400K?! What the hell kind of integrity is that? What have they demonstrated to us, the honest kind who have never touched such a program? Is our honesty going to go rewarded? Hell no; if we slip up against the rules and make a riot similar to what they did, we'll get muted/banned. And we don't expect a refund.
Well they sure are acting like ones now...

Well as you said Jagex are whores for money, I mean, what does Andrew make nowadays? I hear he's just hit the $50,000,000 mark with his brother Paul close behind. In all my days of playing RuneScape and experiencing everything that has come along with it, I have never seen anything like this. In RuneScape classic, Andrew was kind enough to PLAY RUNESCAPE, along with Paul and the other lead developers, I doubt many of the new RuneScape players know who Andrew Gower is, HELL Paul Gower was a member of RuneNews and even posted a few times.

The fact is, I doubt Andrew Gower has any intention that he will play RuneScape anytime soon, I mean, $400,000 would look good in his bank account anyway, he could care less about the silly game he evolved from MUDScape.

SwiftSwitch is now only going under a 'Grace Period' I believe, so who knows if Jagex will let them linger, it's all up in the air right now in my opinion.

This post has been edited by Cky: Jan 4 2007, 04:25 AM

Oli

Jan 4 2007, 04:41 AM | Post #35

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You do realize Paul and Andrew do still play? And that almost all of the Jagex mods have their own normal accounts?

Also, who wouldn't whore themselves for 400,000 usd?

xatmo97

Jan 4 2007, 06:09 AM | Post #36

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Jagex has only tinkered the rule a little. If you read more into detail basically it doesnt say its ok to use all third party clients as add on's again. They must comform to following rs rules still. So still no personal details nor no advertising. But theres really no way to control all the third party clients out there so its not like they can do much unless the perosn who made all of these clients watches all irc channels. And lets face it thats almost impossible unless you delte 9/10 channels. Then it would make it useless for anyone using it for advertising/talking about whatever. The main reason most people use the irc in the first place. That and group chats. But remember that nice little function where you could easily switch to full world's by doign auto reconnects. NO longer to technically be available why cause it breaks rule #7 which is no auto's or macroing. This is technically an auto refresher that trys to log you into full worlds. So you can still switch worlds and such but not into the full ones anymore. Anyways this is not to say that all third party clients are still to be able to be used just ones like strider's. Not that i ever doubt jagex will try and monitor all the third party clients out there to do world switching and such. They said they banned autoer's, but to my knowledge still you have about 50 or so on every free world i can think of. Just go south outta varrock you got usually like 10 there in every world you go to auto wcing yews. Then again outside draynor you usally have at least 20 there. Not to forget the mining guild where theres usually at least 2 in every world. So really have they fixed it. "We have a complicated system in order to track these offenders so that we can ban them". Yeah right.

Slim50

Jan 4 2007, 06:31 AM | Post #37

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QUOTE(Oli @ Jan 3 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]84164[/snapback]

You do realize Paul and Andrew do still play? And that almost all of the Jagex mods have their own normal accounts?

Also, who wouldn't whore themselves for 400,000 usd?

I've seen Paul on...like once? in a picture? as for the whoring for 400k...the Gower's are worth about ten times that...that would and should be nothing to them.

I'm fairly unbiased to this situation...I use SS, but am not going to plotz over it. Jagex probably should've put their foot down. Tis a shame. Hopefully something better comes of this mess.

site

Jan 6 2007, 09:50 PM | Post #38

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So what, i never use ss anyway

BluEz

Jan 6 2007, 10:55 PM | Post #39

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FF and mIRC ftw.

Loggy

Jan 7 2007, 12:38 AM | Post #40

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I don't know why everyone cares so much. Open up IE or FF and use mIRC or something.

Baakalor

Jan 7 2007, 02:46 PM | Post #41

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I have never used SS or any other 3rd party client and, like Makoto, have often debated the legality (RS-wise) of using SS. I still say it is a 3rd party client and as such, give players an unfair advantage which is against JAGeX rules.

JAGeX finally decides to take a stance and at the first sign of opposition, backs down. All they did was create drama where none existed.

Spineless and greedy. Nice combination.

Axis Of Evil

Jan 7 2007, 07:18 PM | Post #42

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QUOTE(Loggy @ Jan 6 2007, 06:38 PM) [snapback]84550[/snapback]

I don't know why everyone cares so much. Open up IE or FF and use mIRC or something.

Some people have other windows open. Another window, at least for me, would clutter up my computer screens.

Besides, mIRC is ugly.

Oli

Jan 8 2007, 12:05 AM | Post #43

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QUOTE(Axis Of Evil @ Jan 7 2007, 02:18 PM) [snapback]84632[/snapback]

Some people have other windows open. Another window, at least for me, would clutter up my computer screens.

Besides, mIRC is ugly.

Rofl, and swiftswitch is pretty?

Get some skins.

Learn to customize mIRC.

Axis Of Evil

Jan 8 2007, 09:53 PM | Post #44

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QUOTE(Oli @ Jan 7 2007, 06:05 PM) [snapback]84677[/snapback]

Rofl, and swiftswitch is pretty?

Get some skins.

Learn to customize mIRC.

I didn't say SS was pretty, it just looks better than mIRC, imho.

How do you customize mIRC?

Oli

Jan 8 2007, 11:36 PM | Post #45

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QUOTE(Axis Of Evil @ Jan 8 2007, 04:53 PM) [snapback]84766[/snapback]

I didn't say SS was pretty, it just looks better than mIRC, imho.

How do you customize mIRC?

Scripts.

Just search google for mIRC themes.

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