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Ways of advertising:
1) If we can get Nimmo to agree to advertise on other sites, google or Rune Toplist would be great. It would be sure to attract members.
2) Word of mouth. Tell a friend of rw and encourage them to tell their friends etc. I do not advise you to do this in game but if you have friends who play runescape on your msn/aol/trillian etc, that's a great way.
3) Signatures. As i'm sure a lot of you have accounts on other forums, use a runeweb sig to advertise. Do not post just to advertise, but post constructively or as you usually do. DO NOT SPAM TO ADVERTISE RUNEWEB AS THAT COULD AND WILL RESULT IN A BAD REPUTATION
Those are the 3 main ways I think we could advertise.
The following are also ideas I found good:
-Clan Forums
-Complete Content (This is no longer a problem)
-Revised Staff
-English Rule (Cannot be too strict on this rule but i've read posts in which it is a chore to decipher.)
-Unique Tool: We need something in which no other sites have. I think a toolkit would be good as I remember how much I used the RN Toolkit.
-Revamp of Main Site Layout
-Quick Guide Releases
-More Events
-LOSE THE XENOPHOBIA
This post has been edited by Dilbert26: Dec 8 2006, 01:00 AM
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Dec 8 2006, 04:02 AM | Post #47 |
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I've been thinking pretty hard on this, and just cant seem to come up with any major to help the forums get more users. But I can think of quite a few little things that would help out.
First, add the url to runeweb to the signatures, so you can click the signature to take you directly to the site. Most people won't take it out/think it needs to be their for the signature to work.
Second, Offer a sponsership type deal with clans to give them a private forum. A lot of decent clans can't afford actual sites and use forums that eventually expire. They'll go outside their clan forum and post in the runeweb forums, increasing posts. Obviously there would have to be a requirment on getting the forums, like having 50+ members or something along those lines.
Third, once we have a decent amount of members, specify a "Runeweb world." Obviously this has been done before, but you can add your own twist by having a certain item that all runeweb members wear to distinguish each other. This is obviously a later step.
Fourth, Private forums for certain ranks of members, this goes along with the rank system.
And fifth, events that are free of cost. There are tons of mini-games that are free of cost. Obviously there are fighting monsters, but i'm talking about non-combat mini-games. Like get a really long train and goto games room, then give out beers and cakes complementary of Runeweb. (Yes ok, so its technically not "free", but a minisquel enough price to be counted as free
.) I know a lot of the lower leveled players are turned away from the combat mini-games for fear of death and inability to do good at them, thats why things the games room is perfect because level has no affect on your ability to do good.Most of these were off the top of my head so they're not the best idea's, but idea's none the less. I'll edit when I think of more/better ones.
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Dec 8 2006, 05:06 AM | Post #48 |
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Dec 8 2006, 11:53 AM | Post #49 |
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QUOTE(Dilbert26 @ Dec 8 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]81549[/snapback]
Argh, just had a big post and accidently closed it. Summary of what it said:
Ways of advertising:
1) If we can get Nimmo to agree to advertise on other sites, google or Rune Toplist would be great. It would be sure to attract members.
2) Word of mouth. Tell a friend of rw and encourage them to tell their friends etc. I do not advise you to do this in game but if you have friends who play runescape on your msn/aol/trillian etc, that's a great way.
3) Signatures. As i'm sure a lot of you have accounts on other forums, use a runeweb sig to advertise. Do not post just to advertise, but post constructively or as you usually do. DO NOT SPAM TO ADVERTISE RUNEWEB AS THAT COULD AND WILL RESULT IN A BAD REPUTATION
Those are the 3 main ways I think we could advertise.
The following are also ideas I found good:
-Clan Forums
-Complete Content (This is no longer a problem)
-Revised Staff
-English Rule (Cannot be too strict on this rule but i've read posts in which it is a chore to decipher.)
-Unique Tool: We need something in which no other sites have. I think a toolkit would be good as I remember how much I used the RN Toolkit.
-Revamp of Main Site Layout
-Quick Guide Releases
-More Events
-LOSE THE XENOPHOBIA
I believe alot of their ideas are great, yet their a couple that I think should be added
- Swiftswitch - In Swiftswitch their is a links button that supplies the player with links to many runescape fansites, this will get you major advertisement as swiftswitch is enourmous and their player base is huge! I wouldn't be suprised if the site's hit rose significantly. Get onto swiftswitch and ask Strider the head op in the channel #swiftswitch if you want this implemented in the new update.
- Runeweb Clan - I know this would mainly cater to the noobs (eg MinrI), I believe that if it could be made correctly so that higher and lower level players all felt comfortable, active and happy forum and ultimately overall active members would rise. Also exposure from say clan wars, events and so forth would be great.
- Runeweb Gatherings - I know this one is a bit iffy, but if we can get a big turnout and just muck around, have fun and maybe even drop a few items ! What can be the harm in that and it would encourage more runewebians to make friends with other runewebians and so forth.
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Dec 8 2006, 12:47 PM | Post #50 |
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QUOTE(MinrI @ Dec 8 2006, 06:53 AM) [snapback]81584[/snapback]
I believe alot of their ideas are great, yet their a couple that I think should be added
- Swiftswitch - In Swiftswitch their is a links button that supplies the player with links to many runescape fansites, this will get you major advertisement as swiftswitch is enourmous and their player base is huge! I wouldn't be suprised if the site's hit rose significantly. Get onto swiftswitch and ask Strider the head op in the channel #swiftswitch if you want this implemented in the new update.
- Runeweb Clan - I know this would mainly cater to the noobs (eg MinrI), I believe that if it could be made correctly so that higher and lower level players all felt comfortable, active and happy forum and ultimately overall active members would rise. Also exposure from say clan wars, events and so forth would be great.
- Runeweb Gatherings - I know this one is a bit iffy, but if we can get a big turnout and just muck around, have fun and maybe even drop a few items ! What can be the harm in that and it would encourage more runewebians to make friends with other runewebians and so forth.
Not even going to say anything about Swiftshift as I have never used it and not sure what Nimmo would think of that...
A runeweb clan has been mentioned before but the majority of us are already in clans and it is basically a clan as it is right now. We are already a close community where most active posters know eachother. I dont think a rw clan would be good...right away, maybe as we get a lot more members. On the other hand, a clan forum would be great.
Runeweb gatherings are a great idea imo. They don't always have to be drop partys or monster killing. We could just have some good old skilling and at the start/end have a little parade or w/e. These would be very easy to organise and I think we could get a good turnout after a few weeks. Just remember to not advertise rw in game as it could and probably will result in a ban. I really hope we do get some weekly skilling events here at rw. People can have fun while raising a skill and meeting friends.
Edit: 2500 posts, interesting.
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Dec 8 2006, 05:28 PM | Post #51 |
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As for a "RuneWeb Clan" I don't like the idea of that, because that would make us enemies, and I doubt thats what anyone wants here, being that we are the tight knit community that we are, we should not have to worry about forming into a clan, but I do think more events based on the community as a whole, not a clan, would work. If we could find someone to schedule more events based on time allotted for people to come, I think people here would tell there friends about the events, then more people would join.
Another suggestion is, why not have people advertise on sites, where there are forums to advertise sites? If we could get people to do that, that would be amazing.
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Dec 8 2006, 06:01 PM | Post #52 |
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QUOTE(Nawzlew @ Dec 8 2006, 12:06 AM) [snapback]81574[/snapback]
Uh I don't know, but how does Google rank the links on their search engine?
They use a custom algorithm to process the best choices. They never realease it to anyone and they're always tweaking it.
I always come here for quest guides mainly because thats the only kind of guide I need and they're always done here right away and are of excellent detail and accuracy. I really don't think content is making us lose possible members. I think our biggest problem is obviously advertisment. My suggestion is that people use our sigs on other forums. If people like them, it will draw them to the site and give us a potential new member.
Events are good and all to keep current members, but to gain new ones it's difficult unless we go parading through cities. How many people are we going to run into at DK's? Not many. I'm not a fan of topsite lists, not too sure why people go to them to be honest.
Speaking from a business point of view, word of mouth is the best advertisment you can get. People would much rather visit or buy something that a friend referred to them, then something they saw on a billboard or on and online advertisment.
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Dec 8 2006, 07:21 PM | Post #53 |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:52 PM | Post #54 |
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QUOTE(Dilbert26 @ Dec 7 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]81549[/snapback]
If we can get Nimmo to agree to advertise on other sites, google or Rune Toplist would be great. It would be sure to attract members.
I doubt that. Personally I also don't really believe in toplists, but it's something to consider.
As for these ideas:
-Clan Forums - That's a possibility.
-Revised Staff - What do you mean "revised?
-English Rule - May be more of a chore than a blessing, so that's thrust into the "maybe not" pile.
-Unique Tool - I'll coerce Catatifish to talk on this
-Revamp of Main Site Layout - *This message has been removed by Big Brother*
-Quick Guide Releases - Almost impossible since most of our members are either at school or preoccupied with other things in life to do the quest, let alone a guide.
-More Events - I'm working on that.
QUOTE(Scuba @ Dec 7 2006, 09:02 PM) [snapback]81568[/snapback]
I've been thinking pretty hard on this, and just cant seem to come up with any major to help the forums get more users. But I can think of quite a few little things that would help out.
First, add the url to runeweb to the signatures, so you can click the signature to take you directly to the site. Most people won't take it out/think it needs to be their for the signature to work.
Second, Offer a sponsership type deal with clans to give them a private forum. A lot of decent clans can't afford actual sites and use forums that eventually expire. They'll go outside their clan forum and post in the runeweb forums, increasing posts. Obviously there would have to be a requirment on getting the forums, like having 50+ members or something along those lines.
Third, once we have a decent amount of members, specify a "Runeweb world." Obviously this has been done before, but you can add your own twist by having a certain item that all runeweb members wear to distinguish each other. This is obviously a later step.
Fourth, Private forums for certain ranks of members, this goes along with the rank system.
And fifth, events that are free of cost. There are tons of mini-games that are free of cost. Obviously there are fighting monsters, but i'm talking about non-combat mini-games. Like get a really long train and goto games room, then give out beers and cakes complementary of Runeweb. (Yes ok, so its technically not "free", but a minisquel enough price to be counted as free
.) I know a lot of the lower leveled players are turned away from the combat mini-games for fear of death and inability to do good at them, thats why things the games room is perfect because level has no affect on your ability to do good.I don't agree with the second, third, or fourth ideas. Sponsorships aren't something that come easy...and it would require more diplomacy that I am permitted to do (I'm doing a bit too much of that as of late). I suggested an RW world and it was shot down by members of our IRC. Last thing is that the secret forums sound to me like they encourage spam. I don't know; I need an Admin to comment on the first. The fifth can definitely happen, I'll plan on that in the future.
QUOTE(MinrI @ Dec 8 2006, 04:53 AM) [snapback]81584[/snapback]
I believe alot of their ideas are great, yet their a couple that I think should be added
- Swiftswitch - In Swiftswitch their is a links button that supplies the player with links to many runescape fansites, this will get you major advertisement as swiftswitch is enourmous and their player base is huge! I wouldn't be suprised if the site's hit rose significantly. Get onto swiftswitch and ask Strider the head op in the channel #swiftswitch if you want this implemented in the new update.
QUOTE(Cky @ Dec 8 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]81622[/snapback]
I think that SwiftSwitch idea is a fantastic idea, I don't understand why anyone would have problem with that, being as it has a link to all the Major Runescape fansites, (some I've never even heard of to be honest) and SwiftSwitch is so widely used in the whole Runescape community I don't understand why having a link would cause problems for us, yes it may bring members who are less than good members, but it will bring some good ones as well.
You both are out of your ever-loving MINDS. I don't want to see RuneWeb's name put on SwiftSwitch. The program itself borderlines legality and I'd prefer to err on the side of caution. The problem it could potentially bring is that Zybez will be a lot closer than any of us actually like them to be to us, then they'll be wanting a few "favours", such as our signatures and whatnot... I realise I'm giving "worst-case" scenarios but this is what I think is going to happen.
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A lot of the ideas so are are pretty decent. There's a lot that's going around that's being implemented thanks to your suggestions so far. Perhaps, since I'm in lead of the Events on this forum, I will put together a small team that conducts/schedules gatherings. Worth considering.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:08 PM | Post #55 |
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QUOTE(Makoto @ Dec 8 2006, 06:52 PM) [snapback]81662[/snapback]
A lot of the ideas so are are pretty decent. There's a lot that's going around that's being implemented thanks to your suggestions so far. Perhaps, since I'm in lead of the Events on this forum, I will put together a small team that conducts/schedules gatherings. Worth considering.
As for events, I work from either 7:30am to around 3:00pm on most days, I usually come home and go right here.
Personally I have the time and I think I have the wits to organize some good events, but I'm not just talking about "Boss Monster" events, oh no, on the contrary.
- Skilling Events- I think it's a neat idea for us members here to get together and organize some good skilling events, like Fletching for instance, we could get together and see who gains the most exp per event, by that I mean take screenshots of your exp when it starts, and when it ends. But seeing as people who organize events can partake in them, we should also provide the necessary materials to do the event, because we all know, if we don't people will come with more materials than others, and therefore get more exp.
- Members PKing Events- This is something that I think a lot of people would be fond of, because I know some members here are p2p, and love to PK, for this though, don't expect anyone on this new event team to be giving you sets of full rune, come prepared, and if you die, you die.
- Free to Play PKing Events- This is just a fun little get together, even members can come, just pretty much the same as p2p PKing, you just don't lose dragon items.
- Parties- Organizing regular old parties would not only bring more members to RuneWeb, from seeing the party, but will also bring more in-game activity to RuneWeb, we may see friendships developing not only in RuneWeb, but in Runescape to boot.
- Leveling Parties- I think this is a given, if anyone is getting a major level in a skill, we can organize a party to throw for this person, and invite fellow RuneWebians to come.
As for SwiftSwitch, pretty much every Runescape Fansite, except for Tip.it, which I can understand, but we are pretty much not doing anything in terms of advertising, because word of mouth only goes so far.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:34 PM | Post #56 |
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I also think an events team is a great idea. Never even thought of it myself and it's such a good one.
As for Cky's post:
Skilling Events: I personally would love to have skilling events here at rw but your description was a little different than mine. A skill event to me means us [Runeweb] getting together and working on an indicated skill. I don't see need for competition and most skills do not require many materials.
I would not like skill events like fletching because that is boring and depending on what you're doing, requires full attention. Events like woodcutting, fishing (and cooking) are good skills to train that require little attention and gives time to socialise with rw. Even agility or theiving or mining would be fun to do together.
It could be fun to have the occasional exp competition to see who can gain the most exp in the event but not every time. Don't know if it's just my oppinion but it isn't as much fun if you're competing eachother all the time.
Pking: Always a fun thing to do together. This is definetly an event we can do but we must make sure everybody is ok and will not complain if they die and lose their items. We can split the kills and some we could donate to rw for future drop partys.
Parties: We already have these so not much to say about them. They are always a blast and there is usually a fun event following or prior to a nice drop party. Remember, we can only have drop parties if people donate to rw.
Leveling Parties: Well these should be posted by the person who is getting the lvl. They could set it up themselves as people already do. Always great having people present while getting a nice lvl.
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QUOTE(Makoto @ Dec 8 2006, 11:52 PM) [snapback]81662[/snapback]
You both are out of your ever-loving MINDS. I don't want to see RuneWeb's name put on SwiftSwitch. The program itself borderlines legality and I'd prefer to err on the side of caution. The problem it could potentially bring is that Zybez will be a lot closer than any of us actually like them to be to us, then they'll be wanting a few "favours", such as our signatures and whatnot... I realise I'm giving "worst-case" scenarios but this is what I think is going to happen.
Swiftswitch is by far the biggest "client" used and there is no reason at all not to advertise there as its 100% legal now that they have (since a long time ago) made ads visible. Also the fact that it contains an irc client to the 15-16th biggest IRC network in the world, where we also have our IRC channel makes it even more attractiv as a way to get new users.
I believe you are being native and Jagex will not ban anyone for using SS, or even consider it as so many uses it.
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Dec 9 2006, 03:43 PM | Post #58 |
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As for the events team, I think that is a great idea.
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Dec 10 2006, 09:50 AM | Post #59 |
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As reflected in this post, I am none too pleased with the interactivity of the forum community. I really am not. That was one of the most disappointing events I've had to host before, and I refuse to see a repeat. In effect, that post doesn't come close to conveying my true disappointment.
Regardless of what advertising ideas may be, what happened to helping the community out when it was in need?
I realise that may of you have lives, so don't worry about that. What bothers me the most is that at least 7 times the people will show up at the drop party than participated in the fundraiser, so I am really at a loss of what to do. Therefore, I leave that mostly up to you. What should I do?
Should I close off all outside contact to the drop party events like we have before in the past and invite only those select people I PM? Should I cancel the party all in all? I don't want to do that, but...I'm not sure what other recourse I have.
Suggestions/comments (besides "O I WAS THERE") are welcome.
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Dec 10 2006, 12:59 PM | Post #60 |
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This is only the first event in the large-scale fundraising business. It could be bad luck causing the inactivity. I don't think the community should be judged purely on one event; give it a few more goes before kneeling down and crying out in despair. After all, it's not as if nothing came out of it. It gives valuable experience to those who have never been to Dagannoth Kings before and it also highlights the problems with the current way of things.
So, here are the problems I've interpreted from:
Lateness
I doubt this is due to your part of organization. The time and place were clearly mentioned and notices were made in IRC. Perhaps there wern't many people planning to come at all. In the topic, I've only counted around six people who said they would come. Is it a problem of incentives?
Monetary-wise, I think 20% would be a bit more appealing. Getting 300k out of a Dragon Axe seems quite low to me. I'd rather craft runes for an hour and risk losing less items. There is also unfairness within the costs of different combat types. Mages will have to spend more on runes, especially on Ancient Magicks. Maybe they should get a slightly higher percentage of the drop? If raising the dibs doesn't promote activity, then go back to the straightforward 10%.
Lateness could also be caused by unprepared members. In future, I'd suggest actually forming the teams before the event. There should also be guidelines on what to bring, so supplies can be bought before the day comes. You might want to maintain regular contact to those who said they would come, so you can bug them to be ready and make any changes necessary if problems arise.
Coordination
I have no idea how this is carried out. I'm assuming the three teams will only split up during the doors and will regroup when they have reached the ladder. Then the whole group will move forward together. If so, I fail to see what the problem is. Looking through the logs, there are some who ran out of energy or got lost. If it's an energy problem, make sure everyone has full energy before setting off. Making sure everyone is following one leader. If it's a navigation problem, you may want to take the whole group through the dungeon once, to show how people should go through when the day comes.
Fairness
That happens with all drop parties. People involved in the actual fundraising will have to be philantropists. A closed drop party will destroy it's purpose in the first place. Looking through the logs (again), there were some who said the Dagannoth Kings were too much for them to handle and suggested other bosses. So let's revisit them.
King Black Dragon: Absolutely worthless in my opinion. With it's dragon drop averaging at 425k, I don't think it will justify the cost everyone has to go through, especially if it's rare in the first place.
Chaos Elemental: If people are having trouble with Dagannoth Kings, I'd say the Chaos Elemental would be even more troublesome. People could be unfamiliar with the unequipping, thereby causing panic. There are also clans roaming around, making it even more dangerous. In any case, the Dragon 2h Sword too rare (and cheap) to justify the risks.
Giant Mole: Don't bother.
So the only option left is Kaphite Queen, and it is quite an appealing one indeed. It's been done to death, easier to navigate and prepare, slightly easier to survive and has a decent drop. I'd suggest it for the next trip.
For those too weak to participate, you could allow them to gather materials or money to act as donations. There could be a daily or weekly quota for everyone to reach. Newer members would have a smaller quota to satisfy than older ones. Yes, it's harsh. But it's one way of maintaining a steady income in case there aren't any good drops from the trips. Rewards could be temporary voice, custom title, or whatever. Contributors need recognition.
If all else fails, a closed drop party wouldn't be too bad.
You're running a business here. I'd say you have a problem with wages, motivation, management, less-able employees, bad profits and distribution of wealth. Ah well, who cares.
This post has been edited by Mysticallity: Dec 10 2006, 01:04 PM
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