Arguous

Oct 3 2005, 08:08 PM | Post #1

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>>>Updated by Arguous: December 9, 9:39 AM<<<
Minor changes to outfit section, credits section added
>>>This guide has been updated by Arguous: November 18, 12:42 AM<<<

I read a post about using chaos gauntlets and fire bolt on metal dragons. To my surprise, it works very well.

And as far as this being expensive, I'm not sure. Which costs more, thousands of chaos and air runes, or prayer potions?

EDIT - Anyone who wishes to should read over that link, read over the comments in this topic, and compile them.

Edit: OK FireballX301, I'll give it a shot. I liked the look of Mysticallity's post so here goes...

Metal Dragon Hunting Guide

Some time ago I read in a forum that firebolt with chaos gauntlets was quite effective on metal dragons, so I thought I'd give it a go. Here is a bit of what I've learned. This is not exactly cheap, but it is fun, and the mage xp is good also.

Recommendations
70+ Mage recommended
43+ Prayer recommended
Chaos Gauntlets from the Family Crest Quest. If you chose cooking or smithing you can change them at a cost of 25k by visiting the brother from the quest in the bar north out of Varrock.
Metal dragons can be maged otherwise, but the gauntlets seem to give a sizeable advantage.

Outfit + Inventory

What to wear:
Wear your best mage outfit; whether Full Mystic or Arhims, also Mage boots and Fremmy helm if you have them.
Chaos gauntlets (when using firebolt)
Ring of wealth
Anti-Dragon shield (or you're toast in no time.)
Charged Glory Amulet (If not a glory and you drop your ax, you need some other form of tele out)
Fire Staff, Ancient Staff, or Slayer Staff, depending on what spell you plan to use.
Firebolt being the most cost effective, I believe.
From what I've seen, Slayer Dart being more effective (faster kills).
I've never seen anyone using ancients there. Probably just too expensive.


What to bring:
905gp (From Ardougne, 30 for the boat, 875 to get in the dungeon) or bank in the Tzaar place and walk around the island.
Any ax, a cheap one, a throw away
1 to 3 Prayer pots(4); When well executed, completely unneeded
3 to 5 pieces of good food; swordfish or better
Antifire pot(4)'s
Runes for the spell you're using (I'm using fire bolt here, so Airs and Chaos with a fire staff)
Nature Runes to high-alch any drops worth alching. Space is tight at first.


At 76 mage, when I first tried this, I kept track of well over 100 kills on iron dragons. I averaged 42 casts with firebolt per kill, and about 2.5 minutes per kill. A dose of Antifire potion lasts 6 minutes. For a quick estimate, I estimate at 50 chaos per kill and 2 kills per dose of antifire.

So for a quick estimate of a task for say 145 iron dragons:
145*50=7,250 Chaos
7,250*3=21,750 Airs
145/8=18.125, Just say 18 Antifire(4)'s, this is a rough estimate and the numbers here are high.

Here's a screenshot of the above example. It looks like I have no inventory space, but remember: I drop the ax and pay out the cash. I actually have two open inventory spots for the first kill.


The Payoff:
Here's a time I got lucky. After about 40 iron dragons I got this skirt. So that time the task paid for itself. As you can see though, I forgot nats and had to leave some good stuff behind.


Notes:
Mage them from a distance and they will not melee you, but will throw continuous fireballs. So no prayer needed!

While they are still aggressive, you may get too close to one and they will begin to melee you.
Turn on prayer and run a short distance away. They should begin their fireball attack, then turn off your prayer.

You can also position yourself for the next dragon while maging one. This is useful when they are still aggressive. You can see other dragons with their nose pointed at you, but it is not multicombat and they cannot attack you. Run a circle around the dragon you are maging in short distances until any other dragons are not standing right next to you. The ones that were pointing their noses at you should begin with their fireball attack when you kill the one you're on. I recently found this is a good strategy on bronze as well to get away from the dogs. The dogs cannot attack if you're being attacked by the dragon's fireballs. While you're maging the dragon you can try to position yourself out of the way of the dogs and black demon.

On a suggestion, I tried air bolt, but only on 2 irons and it went 60, then 52 casts and 3 min each kill.
So using fire bolt with 16 anti-fires (4), that comes out to 384 minutes, so nearly 6 1/2 hours of continuous metal drag slaying, or about 154 iron dragons.
Or until I run out of runes. :-) See my rough estimate inventory above is high.


.. Cheers,
And happy hunting,
-Arguous


Credits/Thanks:
IR Bush mentioning Slayer Dart being more effective
Luckk13 for 2nding that and mentioning Ahrims

Special thanks to Mysticallity for spirited dialog and a good guide to pattern after when Fireballx301 made the request to clean it up.

This post has been edited by Arguous: Dec 9 2005, 05:54 PM

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Geo1988

Oct 3 2005, 08:18 PM | Post #2

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I don't use prayer pots when I hunt dragons. Anti-fire shield as well as anti-fire pot and I won't get hit. Great guide though

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Arguous

Oct 3 2005, 08:58 PM | Post #3

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QUOTE(Geo1988 @ Oct 3 2005, 01:18 PM)

I don't use prayer pots when I hunt dragons. Anti-fire shield as well as anti-fire pot and I won't get hit. Great guide though

So are you saying you mage them?

If you melee them, you do get hit, even with antifires. Last night I had a level 113 standing and watching me mage them, he was using a d long. I think he was amazed at this lvl 92 able to kill them about as fast as him, but use no prayer and take no damage at all.

I suspect he had public chat off as I couldn't get him to say anything, even after I'd dropped one of my ugthanki kebabs (out of space) and he pick it up, ate it and said "Yum!".

I just love those kebabs, they heal 19 and they're so funny!

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Dilbert26

Oct 3 2005, 09:06 PM | Post #4

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Nice guide, im definetly going to try it some time.

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Twilight Ray

Oct 3 2005, 09:32 PM | Post #5

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Hawt <3

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Geo1988

Oct 3 2005, 10:31 PM | Post #6

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QUOTE(Arguous @ Oct 3 2005, 04:58 PM)

So are you saying you mage them? 

If you melee them, you do get hit, even with antifires.  Last night I had a level 113 standing and watching me mage them, he was using a d long.  I think he was amazed at this lvl 92 able to kill them about as fast as him, but use no prayer and take no damage at all.

Yeah I mage them just like you do. But if I melee I bring Ppots for melee

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Makoto

Oct 4 2005, 04:33 AM | Post #7

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I am highly pleased with this content.

I will request it be placed as a feature article.

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Mysticallity

Oct 4 2005, 05:48 AM | Post #8

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Some things:

You might suggest bringing some way to teleport out of the dungeon. If you have some good loot, you wouldn't want to die to some weaker monsters out there. Neither do you want to lose all your thousands of chaos if you ran out of food and prayer.

It might be a good idea to replace those Prayer Potions with more kebabs. All I really need food was to stop the dragons from meeleing me once they've became friends with me. But Prayer Potions will be fine if you're using Protect from Meele.

If you've tried and find it okay to kill Metal Dragons, I would recommand replacing Mystic Hat with Farseer Helmet and Mystic Boots to Wizard Boots. The little difference in Magic Bonus could give you more xp, more kills and more drops.

You will need to have a certain Magic Level. I would say having 65 would be the very least. They will miss quite often but at least can kill some. Obviously it'd be better to have a higher level.

You might also want to suggest some good damaging spells like Slayer Dart. It will cost a lot more but you can wear Mystic Gloves for extra Magic Bonus and the Slayer Staff itself gives more Magic Bonus than a normal elemental staff. You kill faster with more damage and at least you won't have to see endless animations of Fire Bolt.

You might want to replace Amulet of Glory with Amulet of Magic. They both give the same Magic Attack Bonus and Amulet of Magic is only 1/100th of the price of an Amulet of Glory. Neither would you want to risk displaying your expensive robes just to get fried. You might want to minimize the risk by reviewing your recommanded equipment.

Nice guide.

This post has been edited by Mysticallity: Oct 4 2005, 05:49 AM

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Chrono

Oct 4 2005, 02:37 PM | Post #9

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very nice guide. well done.

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Arguous

Oct 4 2005, 05:49 PM | Post #10

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QUOTE(Mysticallity @ Oct 3 2005, 10:48 PM)

Some things:

You might suggest bringing some way to teleport out of the dungeon. If you have some good loot, you wouldn't want to die to some weaker monsters out there. Neither do you want to lose all your thousands of chaos if you ran out of food and prayer.

It might be a good idea to replace those Prayer Potions with more kebabs. All I really need food was to stop the dragons from meeleing me once they've became friends with me. But Prayer Potions will be fine if you're using Protect from Meele.

If you've tried and find it okay to kill Metal Dragons, I would recommand replacing Mystic Hat with Farseer Helmet and Mystic Boots to Wizard Boots. The little difference in Magic Bonus could give you more xp, more kills and more drops.

You will need to have a certain Magic Level. I would say having 65 would be the very least. They will miss quite often but at least can kill some. Obviously it'd be better to have a higher level.

You might also want to suggest some good damaging spells like Slayer Dart. It will cost a lot more but you can wear Mystic Gloves for extra Magic Bonus and the Slayer Staff itself gives more Magic Bonus than a normal elemental staff. You kill faster with more damage and at least you won't have to see endless animations of Fire Bolt.

You might want to replace Amulet of Glory with Amulet of Magic. They both give the same Magic Attack Bonus and Amulet of Magic is only 1/100th of the price of an Amulet of Glory. Neither would you want to risk displaying your expensive robes just to get fried. You might want to minimize the risk by reviewing your recommanded equipment.

Nice guide.

You need 59 mage or 56 with a mind bomb to finish family crest. The guide I wrote is really about the benefit of chaos gauntlets. I saw a mention in a forum about fire bolt being effective, so I gave it a try. I love it that I was able to change my cooking gaunts to mage gaunts! Greater accuracy and can hit 15s with the lowly level 35 spell!

Now, when maging them from a distance, prayer is not needed. With antifires, I take zero damage. I only turn on prayer briefly if they begin to melee me, run a short distance, then turn prayer off. Like I said, when done right, maybe a small amount of luck, the prayer potions aren't needed at all. They are a precaution for me.

I'd really love to be able to range them, since I'm more of a ranger, but there isn't a good enough one-handed weapon.

There is really no sense in risking so much good stuff when all it really costs to bail and go back is a little time and 905gp.

Last night I was there about 3 hours, got careless, took a few hits and ran out of food.

I'm quite cautious about it when I'm carrying so much stuff. So when I run out of food and I'm down a few HP and being attacked, then I turn off autoretaliate, turn on prayer, and use the glory to tele out. For a first time down, yes you may want a one-click out. But once you become comfortable.... I think the risk is actually quite low... unless you have a bad connection, but then no matter what you're trying to do... you know what I mean, it's happened to me before.

Yes, mystic boots, farseers helm are good, but I believe I said wear your mage best outfit. Full mystic just happens to be mine as I'm a good slayer and I got all from drops. I'd be curious to see how someone would do with just regular mage robes. If they could kill in close to 2.5 minutes with 30-50 casts also. Fire bolt is, after all, a lowly level 35 spell!

And yes, the total inventory I took is overkill, I'll have to adjust it some. I've been having to drop items because I have no space early on. So I lost some rune knives and addy bars. So I'm thinking next time two or three open inventory spots would be good. And after almost 3 hours straight killing I still had 8.75 of my antifire (4)'s left!

And glad you all liked it. I had fun with it, hope you do too!

Oh, and one more thing. My current slayer task is 153 iron dragons. I used to shun those tasks, hate them from Chaeldar, but now I love them. It gives me a chance to work my mage up! With 153 to kill at 2.5 min ea that's over 6 hours training for one task! Wow!

This post has been edited by Arguous: Oct 4 2005, 05:58 PM

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Mysticallity

Oct 4 2005, 06:25 PM | Post #11

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Without Chaos Gauntlets, it is still fine to mage dragons. But it simply gives out more damage and xp. Yet if you don't have a fairly high magic level, you will still miss a lot. Besides, not everyone has 75+ Magic like you.

When you've finished with a dragon, another one near you would engage you with meele. I always find myself having to turn Protect from Meele on and eating all my food. But you should add that if you find yourself getting meeled (not great with robes), run a short distance and attack the dragon until he starts shooting fireballs. But to be honest, I've never used a Prayer Potion for any of my dragon huntings. I filled it with teleport runes and natures.

There will always be the risk of lag. But you will constantly be attacked even with Protect from Meele, cancelling any menus you've opened. You could bring an Ectophial instead of teleport runes. I lost mine and I couldn't be bothered to get another one.

I know you did say wear your best mage outfit. Just saying that people may simply take full Mystic Robes as the best outfit and ignore Farseer Helmet and Wizard Boots. Both are also quite risky to bring though, so full Mystic ain't such a bad idea if you're starting out. But once again, the failing rate of your spells is determined by your Magic level. Not everyone could kill a dragon with 30-50 Fire Bolts and that reduces the chances of getting a drop from a trip. When I was like 66~, I spend like 100 Fire Bolts per Iron Dragon.

I hate Chaeldar, I get nothing but boring trolls.

Have fun!

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Arguous

Oct 4 2005, 08:30 PM | Post #12

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QUOTE(Mysticallity @ Oct 4 2005, 11:25 AM)

... When I was like 66~, I spend like 100 Fire Bolts per Iron Dragon.

Have fun!

So was that without chaos gauntlets? My guess would be yes. Chaos gauntlets give more than just the +3 extra hits (up to 15's with fire bolt). From what I know, they also increase the chances of successfully hitting the target.

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Mysticallity

Oct 4 2005, 09:18 PM | Post #13

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I used Chaos Gauntlets for every trip I go. Unless you count the wasted Ice Rushes on my last trip.

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Target

Oct 8 2005, 04:46 AM | Post #14

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QUOTE(Geo1988 @ Oct 3 2005, 10:31 PM)

Yeah I mage them just like you do. But if I melee I bring Ppots for melee

I <3 Bronze Dragons.

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I R Bush

Oct 13 2005, 04:03 PM | Post #15

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One thing to add, Magic Dart is way more effective on them, saves up alot of runes.

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